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Are Stock Templates Good or Bad for Web Designers?

Are Stock Templates Good or Bad for Web Designers?

Whether or not it’s a “good thing” that stock templates are so readily available to web designers has been an issue that’s been hotly debated over the past couple of years. This article will break down the argument in favor of using templates – and I encourage you to post your own thoughts in the comments section!

This is an issue that every designer should have on his or her mind at the moment, so grab a cup of coffee and get comfy!


Do Templates Hurt Working Designers?

A really interesting question came up at the ThemeForest forum a while back; If you don’t know, ThemeForest is a popular website where people can buy a website template for around $30. Someone on the forum made the comment that:

If you think about it… the fact that these template sites exist kind of kill business for web designers. Many potential clients know places like ThemeForest exist, so when they see a template for $32 or whatever, they wonder why they should even bother paying a designer in the first place.

And there it was, just like that the question was on the table: Are web site templates actually hurting the business of other web designers that are building things from scratch?

It certainly isn’t a trivial accusation, but template usage has been growing like crazy for the past couple years, and it seems like most designers that I know either use templates themselves or are authoring templates as an alternative form of income.


Stock Artwork, Photography, and Web Templates Oh My!

My own personal opinion is this: the creation of stock templates doesn’t hurt the profession at all; Rather, it empowers designers to save time and money on development costs and it’s part of the natural progression of our industry.

If you look at any other industries in history and you’ll see the same trends towards the commoditization of items that were previous big-ticket services… It’s actually kinda surprising that it took this long for our quickly moving industry to hit this stage.

That doesn’t diminish the fact that some people are probably irritated by the new movement within the industry. Using templates feels… well, wrong … to a group of professionals that largely prides themselves on creativity, originality, and hard work ethic.

As an example though, let’s examine the case of the photography industry not too long ago – an industry that was for years steeped in mysterious and inaccessible processes that were dangerous and difficult to master – which left 99% of consumers reliant upon film developers to process their film into prints; Film developers were probably irritated when the first serious digital camera / printer combination came out, but Flickr is bigger than ever and the photography field as a whole has benefited.


A Lesson from History

Let’s dig even further back in history and consider the case of the Luddites. The Luddites were a social movement of British artisans who protested against the changes produced by the Industrial Revolution. They were enraged that the Industrial Revolution was producing affordable items for middle class consumers. Their primary argument was that these mass-produced items were hurting the individual artisans who once made them painstakingly by hand.

The counter-argument is simple though: for as many artisans that lost jobs as a result of the movement, there were countless people that benefited from the affordable products. Likewise, many artisans adapted and found jobs that worked alongside the new production methods. The market changed – it was those that refused to adapt that were left behind.


Stock Artwork Doesn’t Diminish Our Work

There’s honestly no need to hide the fact that web designers are using templates – it’s not dirty or shameful or unoriginal if you’re using them properly. It’s only when the client finds out late in the game that you’re using someone else’s template that it becomes awkward and dishonest. Educating clients has always been a key to the sales process, this is just another in a long series of updates to the sales pitch. The alternative is an industry-wide knowledge blackout where web designers collectively try to convince their clients that they create web sites with magic wands and fairy dust.

Personally, I use templates (as do most of my colleagues and many studios that I work with) as a major selling point. Since we started using templates our rates have gone up, as have the number of gigs that we can take on per month. Even if your average price per project goes down, your volume should be skyrocketing at this point. Honestly, all that this recent trend has done is remove the headache part of web design and streamlined our ability to meet the ever growing demands of clients.

Since we started using templates our rates have gone up, as have the number of gigs that we can take on per month.

I understand the “fear of the entire industry collapsing” notion, but web design has always been an industry where you keep up or get out – every month there’s something new and hot that you’ve gotta adapt to – and most designers would be liars if they claimed that they wrote every line of code (including JS, jQuery, PHP , the entire WordPress backend, etc.) for each project they have ever worked on. Web designers recycle each others work and innovate beyond it – it’s part of what makes this such an awesome and invigorating job in the first place. Having readily available creative tools don’t diminish what we do, it frees us up to kick even more butt than we were previously kicking.

Don’t fear the templates, use them to your own advantage – the industry is never going to be the same as it was a year ago – whether it be 2000, 2010 or 2020, which is the reason most of us chose this as a profession in the first place.


Templates aren’t Killing the Profession, They are Changing It


The Envato Marketplace alone has over half a million members and almost 60,000 files!

I would imagine that, while bidding on web-projects for mid to larger size businesses is probably improved through templates, the small client sector of the industry is one that’s hard hit by the notion that you can buy a site for $30 because they have the least amount of intuitive appreciation for the idea of paying $X,XXX for marketing (which most businesses do on a regular basis).

The fact remains that there were always (even before templates) clients who knew “a friend of their cousin’s girlfriend who says he can build my site for $50” – bottom line is that if they can’t learn to respect and appreciate your work (whether through education or common sense), they probably weren’t a really great client to work with in the first place.

I will say that my own career started out with small clients though – and while small clients back then hadn’t heard of templates yet, they did still have their own set of reasons for why projects should cost way under what they actually were worth; Most gigs that I took on ended up paying me about 1$ an hour for what I was doing… was I rolling in cash at the time? Nope; but it’s kinda one of those things that you have to do at the start of a freelance career to jumpstart your portfolio. It helped that I had a day job waiting tables to help pay the bills.


So How Can You Adapt Your Own Sales Pitch to Include Templates?

The lesson is this: templating isn’t killing the profession of custom web design, it’s just moving the market towards businesses that can actually afford it.

It might help to explain to your client that they can think of templates like buying an automobile – it would be silly to assume that they could simply pay an metal welder $10,000 to fabricate all of the materials of a single automobile from scratch (including the engine, upholstery, cup holders, etc.) – it’s the fact that they are mass produced in such volume that makes them relatively affordable to average consumers. Just the same though – if they want to customize that car to their own particular tastes (redesign the body, give it a new paint job, add extra seating, install a new sound system, etc.), it’s going to take extra $$$ that very well could exceed the initial cost of the car.

Perhaps a better analogy would be paying a band to create an album – it’s silly to think the cost of that album is just $10 – the real cost can easily go into the millions of dollars for a single mainstream album nowadays – it’s the notion that the album is mass produced that makes it affordable to individual buyers. Still, most people don’t expect that because they buy an album that they can simply request Jay-Z (or any other artist) to re-record a track with slight modifications for another $10.

You get the idea – find analogies as a part of your sales pitch if they gripe over the cost.

Counter-point Edit: Justin (below) made an excellent point that I just want to re-iterate: Be Honest! If you hide the fact that you’re using a template and then you bill a client outrageously as if you coded it from scratch, you’re engaging in a little something called “price gouging”. You wouldn’t like it if your car mechanic tried to bill you for “inventing the 4-cylinder engine” and casting it in metal himself, would you? So why would you try to hide the fact that you’re using a web template from a client. You don’t design your own fonts either… and they don’t look down on you for that. Fully disclosing and educating our clients is part of the sales process, so don’t skip it and try to pull the wool over your client’s eyes. If you’re a good designer, you know that you’re still putting in quite a bit of time, energy, and skill into installing and customizing a template… those are things that you can and should be billing for.


Custom Design Still Exists!

The funny thing about the templating trend is that it actually raises the value of custom design by instilling a sense of it being rare. Let’s return to the case of the photography industry – the advent of services like Getty Images, Corbis, and more recently, micro stock sites like iStockPhoto and others has actually raised the value of custom photography. When you (Joe Businessman) can pick up a half-way decent image for $10, why bother spending thousands of dollars on a custom photoshoot? Now consider the big companies who may have been previously using stock images; they are now forced to pay for elaborate custom photoshoots if only to separate themselves from the herd of Joe Businessmen.

When 90% of businesses have a well designed website, having a mediocre site is no longer the status quo, it’s a liability.

The fact is that most of these “Joe Businessmen” weren’t going to fund a thousand dollar photoshoot in the first place – but now that he’s been introduced to the notion of buying a photograph, there’s a much better chance that he’ll need custom photography at some point in the future. Yep, that’s right – in this case the stock movement is growing the market, not shrinking it! Furthermore, he now understands that the photograph is a commodity and that true quality only comes when you are paying a professional serious cash.

Let’s take these lessons back to the design industry now. When small businesses can now pick up a decent quality website for a few hundred bucks (thanks to stock templates), there’s now a helluva lot more pressure put on medium and big businesses to fork out $XX,XXX to $XXX,XXX for custom sites – all because the Joe Businessmen of the world have entered the world of business websites. When 90% of businesses have a decent website, having a mediocre site is no longer the status quo, it’s a liability.

The lesson is this: templating isn’t killing the profession of custom web design, it’s just moving the market towards businesses that can actually afford it.


If You Can’t Beat ‘Em, Join ‘Em!


The Top Sellers list at the ThemeForest Marketplace

My final point is this: if you’re still really irked by the stock template market and how it’s changing the design industry, why not use your creative powers to actually start authoring your own templates and make a little extra cash (or a LOT of extra cash in some cases). Setting up your own account and uploading files is actually pretty darn easy – and if you are the creative genius that you take yourself for, you’re probably going to crush it on the marketplaces. Don’t get mad at cheesy templates, bring your own flare for the original to the scene. There’s no feeling like that first month that you realize that you can actually pay a few bills with the income that you made passively just because you allowed some other designers to use your creative files.

Here’s some review points:

  • Stock templates have actually grown the market for design
  • They raise the rates for custom design by making it “rare”
  • They empower designers and businesses to kick serious butt
  • It’s happening whether you like it or not
  • You may as well get rich off of it if you’re a designer ;)

Full Disclosure

This is an editorial that I initially wrote almost a year ago, before I worked for Envato. I started creating stock templates about a year and a half ago as I was debating these issues – after spending nearly a decade freelancing and considering the issues discussed in this article. I’ve been on both sides of the issue, and I’ve thought long and hard about it. I also went to a college where using “stock elements” in projects was categorically disallowed on threat of expulsion, which is probably what prompted me to write this piece in the first place.


Let the Discussion Begin!

The great thing about an topic like this is that it’s relevant to so many different people within the industry. If you have a different opinion, post it down below (politely!) and let’s open this up for discussion with the community!

Brandon Jones is MDNW on Themeforest
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  • http://www.moom.com.br Murillo

    Nice article Brandon. Very interesting.

  • http://digitalreaction.net rob torres

    Love the article, and as the owner of a boutique web design shop have the following views:

    1. I am a firm believer in best practices, and some templates are so well done that there is no reason I would want to “reinvent the wheel”. I spend so much time running my business day-to-day that my developmental skills have dropped a bit and these guys are singularly focused on building beautiful, feature rich templates with all the cool trimmings… Shame on me if I DON’T utilize them, it’s like an extension of my outsource team… I also can’t begin to explain how much I have learned deconstructing some of these which is invaluable…

    2. In the right hands, templates evolve into something totally unique. When we use templates, we essentially are using the “guts” and then customize the skins to better reflect the project. In fact, we probably spend more time focusing on nailing the visuals since so much of the developmental work is done for us…

    3. From a client perspective, my business advisor put it best which is as a businessman he doesn’t care if it’s a template, what it costs etc. because ultimately he has no clue where to begin taking it from the raw state to his living breathing site customized to his liking… It would be like someone giving me a Porsche 911 in a series of crates, I have no idea what to do with it!

    4. Obviously they aren’t for every client/project but we have integrated them into our offerings with great success…

    Just my 2 cents, and for the record our own website is a modified template that saved me months of internal and costly development time!

    Cheers!

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Thanks for the excellent comments Rob! I’ll just say that I completely agree with #4 – while this article argues in favor of the benefits of templates, they definitely don’t make sense for every project out there… and their very existence makes it all the much more fun when projects are presented that require starting from scratch :)

    • http://twitter.com/joe_query Joseph McCullough

      “Just my 2 cents, and for the record our own website is a modified template that saved me months of internal and costly development time!”

      If you’re a web designer unwilling to design your own site…what’s the point? I’d hate to think my Doctor had someone else write most of his dissertation. Then again, that would explain that unnecessary prostate exam…

  • http://www.adesignlink.com Chad Pierce

    Personally I can count on one hand how many templates I have bought and used. Usually it is for the reason stated here: I needed to increase my production for that month to meet the demand, or some variation within. I just like the creating process and even when I do use a template I NEVER leave it stock. It always has a bit of my creativity instilled into it. Good article.

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      I think that’s a fantastic attitude Chad – the fact is that templates are great in some cases, but ultimately, a designer lives or dies by his ability to create his own work. If you can’t do that, there’s no template in the world that’ll really help you become successful. By using templates as a starting point though, you can save time on the elemental stages of a project and jump right into the creative steps :)

  • http://twitter.com/sinnix Jeff

    For me and the circles I run in, the template business is completely irrelevant. Sure it’s cheap, but no template, by default, will match to any existing brand or marketing strategy.

    I suppose if I was still freelancing and a client came up to me with a $30 template saying, “put my logo on this and get it online” I’d still charge a fee for setup, installation, time, etc.

    As I think about it, that’s not a bad deal. The whole job wouldn’t take more than an hour (assuming they have a logo) and you could easily make a $500 minimum charge for blog installation, configuration, etc. Throw in a few months of maintenance and security updates for good measure and all of a sudden it’s a great value! Sure, $500 may not be a lot… but look at it as “$500 an hour” and it starts to get sweeter.

    Regardless, in the real world a web designer is responsible for a lot more than just the layout of a blog. No template is going to tell you that your content is too verbose, or that your colours won’t appeal to your core demographic. It isn’t going to research your competitors or organize your content for maximum click-throughs. It’s just a bunch of files.

    And hell, if that’s all you want… that will be $500, please.

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Great comments Jeff – it’s absolutely true that “no template, by default, will match to any existing brand or marketing strategy” – Which is why templates are great as a starting point… in most cases, I’ve used templates in the past as a sort of “parts warehouse” – I’ll grab bits and pieces from various template libraries to create my own “frankentheme” :)

    • # dandelion

      $500/hour? how about the marketing and consultation time? Did you choose some templates for his(her) choice and provide your suggestions? did you need wait for the decision? if the client just wants you to install the template and replace a logo, don’t forget he can buy it as regular+installation, it is only $110.

      • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
        Author

        Nice counter-point dandelion – the time put into a template is often a lot more than just installing it and slapping on a logo… if it were really that easy, these clients wouldn’t ever really need to hit up a designer in the first place. The fact is that the time spent on consultation, research, customization, etc can make a $500 job take a full week’s work, which comes out to be a whole lot less than $500/hr.

    • http://www.twitter.com/misslaidlaw Diane

      I actually freelance in getting businesses online using templates. I am know a little bit about design and just as much about coding, but what I do know is that some businesses just want to get online without having to pay hefty costs.

      I charge for installing and customizing templates for clients but I also add other services to the mix like hosting and virtual assistant services. I contract out work like graphic design, photography and copy writing to a few other people who are also freelancers and I regularly get clients coming through via recommendation.

      I am also a music producer and there is a similar ‘argument’ among those that play instruments and those that only produce music on computer about whether they are really musicians. At the end of the day, I think people should use the tools they have around them to get a job done. If a customer wants a complete custom website then do one, if a customer just wants to get online so her brand doesn’t look crummy then do what you can, I have seen some crap custom made websites and some amazing templates.

      So I have taken a template and changed the colors around, added content, and features on the website, changed menus and added accessibility solutions to my ‘template’ website, am I still not creating or designing a presence on the web?

      I have a major interest in the internet, and a passion for organisation and functional websites for businesses that maintain themselves.

      I think people shouldn’t be so stuck up about how another man does his job, as long as the customer is happy and you are getting paid, and as long as there is web you will always have a job.

    • http://www.facebook.com/misslaidlaw Diane

      By the way, I didn’t mean to reply to this comment. This comment actually made me laugh and I had another reply in store…

      Never mind!

      Excuse the grammar in the previous post!!!

  • Brock Nunn

    This is a really interesting article. I have recently been really conflicted about this exact subject. There have been several times that I have gone in to pitch a 600-700 simple website build, yet the client had heard of systems like theme sites and the ability to grab a site for $30.

    However, the easiest and most often bulletproof argument it simple. Once the client gets the file for the template. Whats next? I find that a potential client is more than willing to pay for the expertise of a good web developer. A freelancer that knows their platform a la WordPress or Joomla … is able to take a theme, publish it, install the proper plugins and maintain upkeep.

    Whats your opinion on closing sales in relationship to a world with theme sites Brandon?

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Heya Brock – Well, for starters, read the section of the article about adapting sales pitches to include templates… but the principle is pretty simple: templates are tools, just like fonts, photos, textures and patterns. They exist as just one tool in any designers’ list of possible tricks to approach a project, but they aren’t going to be the complete solution. The rarity of a $30 template being exactly what a client is looking for is so slim that it’s probably not even worth mentioning. There are always customizations required to both design and code for a template to fit the needs of any individual client, so using that basic principle as a starting point in the sales process is key to valuing your own worth to the client. Sure, the template is $30, but there’s no reason that they shouldn’t be paying $X,XXX to a professional designer for a customized solution that uses a template for a starting point. To phrase it differently, just explain to them that the site would cost $XX,000 without the template ;)

      If a client isn’t willing or able to pay a decent rate (and I’m talking $750+) for a customized site, there’s a good chance that you would have never made the sale in the first place (even before they had the $30 template argument). Some people just can’t afford (or aren’t willing to value) a professional designer’s work. If you’re just starting out, there’s always the chance that the project means as much to you as it does to them, which is where you can begin to negotiate down, but never undervalue your own work because they think sites should cost a few hundred bucks… the fact is that if it were really that easy, they would be doing it themselves.

      • Brock Nunn

        Awesome advice Brandon! I am just starting out and, really just now hitting my stride wherein I feel like I can add enough value to do client sites solo. I may simply need to take a look at the potential clients I am soliciting.

        Love the blog, my go to place for this type of thing. Great post, keep up the great work.

  • http://moniestudios.com Monie

    This has been wondering up on my mind all this while!
    You are right in every single point that you’ve made. I admit up until now, there is no 100% website that I’ve made from scratch. Mostly, it’s all about customization. 100% customization, I would say :)

  • Xavier

    some of the templates on themeforest are very nice and soooo detailed. I wonder how many sales authors need to cover the time they spent creating it.

    also, who is buying templates – clients, or designers ?

    from my experience clients don’t know about sites like this or they just don’t share the same taste and go for something different.

    Also they prefer to show off saying: I spent 5k$ for website rather than boosting how cheap their web was.
    Psychology

  • Collis

    Lots of Spelling Mistake . WTF?

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Hmmm – I’m not finding any spelling mistakes that weren’t intentional on my part (I admit that commoditization was a stretch), but it’s kinda funny that you’re attempting to fake being our CEO Collis with an IP address from India. Thanks for the comment anonymous internet person ;)

  • Terry

    I believe that you shouldn’t re-invent the wheel BUT thats not to say that you can’t take something and better it. With the sites I build I rarely start from scratch and more often than not I will “borrow” the structure of another site athat I’ve built. A few years back I went travelling to australia and I built my own blog with PHP – at the time Facebook had just started to show up on the scene, if I was to do that again I would use a pre-built solution and apply my own creativty over the top. I spent more time building the blog than planning my trip!

    I won’t pretend I know statistics because I don’t but there are websites where templates are useful and others where bespoke solutions are the only option. A template can give you the structure but one part of the industry that cannot be achieved through them is creativity and the user experience. Only you can do that.

  • http://www.2d-arts.com Liza

    The question of stocks bothers me a lot. I’m a web-designer but do not make any code, I produce only pure custom solutions in .psd. That design studio I work in never uses templates as we as workers are not cheap and need to create custom projects to justify our salaries. But on the other hand we are not big and famous, so have no fat clients. That’s reasonable, everyone has to occupy his own niche in this profession, and ours is Small and Medium Business.

    Stock templates are good for freelancers, I do not think that any respectable design agency even if it’s small should use them. Web-design business needs its own face, some unique design and development style.

    Besides I’m not quite aware why templates costs are so low? It’s not custom, but $30, really? That leads only no repeating templates with some minor changes an author tries to put on stream, and this tendency is horrible.

    And even after reading this article, which is quite logical I’m not sure about stocks.

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Great thoughts Liza – I think you bring up some great points about why designers are (and should be) a little bit concerned about Stock templates. I’ll disagree with you on the note that design agencies won’t ever use templates (I know several major studios that use them frequently for smaller clients that need affordable solutions), but the notion that a web-design business needs it’s own face couldn’t be more true.

      As far as costs go – the cost is so low because, in theory, the author can sell it 100+ times and still make a profit. For designers who use the templates, they usually have to do a little more than just slap on a logo and call it done. Sure, there are some people that will do this, but the better designers out there are doing complete re-skins of templates… sometimes these customizations are so heavy that it’s hard to see what the original template was in the first place. The template is often used as a “code skeleton” that they can re-design to suit their clients’ needs.

      Thanks for sharing your concerns Liza – they are well noted in this discussion :)

  • http://mayfielddigital.co.uk/ David Cole

    How many times has a potential client asked you to put together a website for pennies? Any time someone approaches me without a realistic budget I tell them to use their cash to do it themselves using a high quality off the shelf template for WordPress, or one of the hosted build it yourself solutions like Squarespace or Virb – for me, that’s the real market for these templates (and if they want to pay for a few hours of my time to help them set it up, no problem).

    Clients with the money to spend appreciate the benefits that come from a custom designed solution and there’s such a massive market for web design that there’s no shortage of work out there.

    Templates like these do a beautiful job of helping those without the cash achieve a half decent web presence and when they realise the limitations of an off the shelf solution, guess who’ll be there to help them?

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Real web designers, that’s who :) Thanks for the comment David.

  • http://www.fusedevelopments.com Giancarlo Gomez

    Great article, for years I really had that sore thought about the template business but this really sheds the light on how useful it can be for my business. I myself am both a developer and designer but through the years my design skills have diminished as my development skills have blossomed to multiple technologies and I have reverted to using specific designers to design the websites and letting my customers know (which I was originally afraid of – but it was well accepted). Sometimes, it is hard to get a great designer and the template business helps there, especially for the customer that has a hard time understanding the cost of an original and/or unique design.

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Interesting thoughts Giancarlo – one of the most useful part of templates (for me) has been that it allows me access to technologies that were once out of my range of expertise – by using (and skinning) pre-built templates, I was able to use and learn things like jQuery and AJAX when I otherwise would have never touched either for fear of it being too difficult. As such, reverse engineering templates is one of the best ways to educate yourself on technologies that you haven’t used before.

  • jermaine

    I dont think you should leet you client know that you just brought their site for $30 and your charging them 6 time that, they will feel like your ripping them off.

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      I understand the thought process behind what you’re saying… but this is a lot like saying that car-makers should keep it a secret that they are marking up the vehicles that they sell… everyone knows that businesses mark up the cost of products and services to make a profit… they’ve been doing this since the dawn of time. The fact that some designers are so hesitant to do this themselves says a little bit about how un-savvy we, as designers, are at making sales happen ;)

  • Sergey

    I can not get access to ThemeForest for a while. Do you guys know what is the problem? :?

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      I’m not sure – I’ve been able to access it all morning – is it still not up for you?

  • http://twitter.com/cssfactory Cosmin Negoita

    Right now, I can think only at 3 reasons why people still go to web designers when they need a site design:

    1. Maybe they do not know about those kind of marketplaces…
    2. They do not find exactly what they need on these marketplaces…
    3. They think that they’ll get a more professional interface working with a web designer, something very unique.

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Good points Cosmin – I happen to think it’s a little more complicated than that (lots of medium/large businesses wouldn’t ever consider a template as a serious final design solution) – but for lots of small businesses and individuals looking to start their own site, these templates (and various CMS platforms out there like WordPress) make for a great reason to skip designers if they can manage to learn the tech on their own. Those same people probably would have never hired a designer in the first place, so the net effect on the industry is negligible in my opinion, but I agree that the reasons to turn to a full design team are slimmer now than a few years ago.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts ;)

  • http://designgoodthings.com Heather

    There is no shortage of awful websites that would benefit from using a well-designed template for cheap. The types of clients who are seeking the cheapest solution are going to get exactly what they pay for – a generic site with no branding apart from the client’s logo stuck in the top left corner.

    As a professional, I am not threatened at all by the existence & propagation of theme sites. Clients who really understand the value of having a unique, professional website will pay for the custom design & custom implementation and reep the benefits of having a website specifically tailored to their business.

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      I couldn’t say it better myself :) Thanks for the comment Heather.

  • http://johnregan3.com John

    Brandon, I think you’ve hit it right on the head: the market has changed. Once web design was a mystical trade to outsiders, and recently, technology and the internet itself have made it much more accessible and affordable (Open Source CMS’s like Joomla and WordPress; International outsourcing; availability of high-quality Tutorials >Tuts+ what?<, etc).

    Does this change make it harder for web designers to make the same profits they did even five years ago? Only if we try to keep the same methods. The world (and our market) is changing dramatically and we have to adapt to keep up.

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Does this change make it harder for web designers to make the same profits they did even five years ago? Only if we try to keep the same methods. The world (and our market) is changing dramatically and we have to adapt to keep up.

      Well said John!

      • http://johnregan3.com John

        *facepalm*

        Dude, I swear on all that is holy that I didn’t do that on purpose. In fact, I mostly skimmed your article.
        You know that I’m not dense enough to plagiarize someone’s article in its own comments. I guess this means that your point really impacted me.

        Regardless, I loved the article.

        *groan*

        • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
          Author

          LOL – you didn’t plagiarize – I just used a “blockquote” in my response. Your words were actually 100% original.

        • http://johnregan3.com John

          Okay. Missed your point. Brandon, I thought that your blockquote was from the article, and that I had plagarized it straight into the comments. It seemed awful uncanny…

          Too much coffee today. I’d appreciate it if you could delete the comment above that starts with the *facepalm*.

  • http://edisonmachado.com.br Edison Machado

    People who fear this kind of movement is people that don’t have a good vision of things.

    I think that just anyone who can understand, contribute and work with it will be successful in the coming years and decades. And who doesn’t understand and accept will be left behind.

    Another great article, thanks!

  • http://vertstudios.com Justin

    I completely disagree with almost everything this article has said and am disappointed that it’s becoming an acceptable and standard practice for some in our industry to work this way. Let me be clear and say that I have absolutely nothing against templates, I just think the practice of minimally changing and reselling them is deplorable. What exactly are you selling for $500-$800 bucks? In most cases that I’ve seen there’s no substantial amount of design and the amount of development work that’s done to the average template is likewise minimal.

    This issue is further compounded by the fact that many (but not all) “designers” who use templates do not advertise the fact at all and have no qualms about putting a minimally modified template into their personal or company portfolio and passing it off as their own work which in my opinion is complete B.S.

    The amount of html/css you need to know to set up a template does NOT justify the inflation in price (at least in my mind) even if the bottom line IS a tenth of what a custom site would cost. To me this is just another example of people exploiting the lack of knowledge on the part of their clients instead of educating them.

    The health of the industry is of importance when dealing with this issue as well. Reselling a template to make quick cash might be good short term, but when you look at the quantity you would need to turn over to make a decent living as a full time professional, template reselling begins to only look like a viable option for college kids and people with part time jobs – there’s only so many potential customers in any given market. Also the more clients you have to take on to make up the difference in price the more non-billable time overhead you get from talking with them, sending email, waiting on them to respond, sending invoices, etc.Where does that leave our industry in 5 years? A few super firms (happy cog, clear left, etc) working with Nike and other big corporations and a million people with little understanding of the greater industry cashing in to make some quick Christmas money before their shift starts at the Olive Garden? No thank you, I’ll be educating all of my clients and potential clients and if they have valid reasons for wanting a template instead of a custom solution I’ll do my best to empower them to do it themselves instead of paying a needless 500% markup for someone that has the skill set equivalent of a 1990′s webmaster.

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Excellently stated rebuttal Justin!

      I’ll concede quite a few of your points as you make some great arguments. I tried my best to account for these kinds of arguments (ie: designers not advertising the fact that they use templates to clients, which is a completely dishonest practice) in the article, but having a full blown counter-article is probably something that’s worth investigating in the future :)

      As for cost-inflation – I’ll make a small point here: In the past when I’ve used templates for small-biz clients, I 1) tell them in advance that we’ll be using a template to fit their budget needs, 2) include them in the template-selection process to help them understand the costs involved when it comes time to request customizations and 3) only bill them for the actual time spent on installing and customizing the template (anything else is unjustified price gouging as you suggest).

      The points that you make are as much about enforcing “honest business practices” upon web designers as anything else… the points you bring up are still huge though, and every designer out there who is trying to gouge clients will eventually find themselves super embarrassed when they are discovered.

      My only counter-argument to yours would be this: This is as much about educating and fully disclosing our workflows to clients. Most clients nowadays don’t assume that we design our own fonts, but that doesn’t mean that we can’t charge for time spent on type-setting and typography. Likewise, so long as clients are fully aware of the role that templates play as a “tool” within a web-designers arsenal, then using a template shouldn’t be any different than using a stock photo, texture, font or script. Designers should always follow the practice of “billing for time spent”, not billing for assumed value (which allows designers to think they can gouge uninformed clients).

      Thanks again for the counter-arguments!

      • http://www.vertstudios.com/ Joseph McCullough

        “You get the idea – find analogies as a part of your sales pitch if they gripe over the cost.”

        Analogies are fine when used to make sense out of calculations. However, if you can’t justify a client expense without an analogy, you need to really sit back and analyze exactly what value you’re capable of providing.

        There’s a difference between appreciating the modular form of the web and using others’ innovations to hide your own ineptitude. Though the difference is extremely subjective, each person knows when they’ve delved too far in utilizing the work of someone else. You can’t make an analogy for this – it’s all about your own intellectual integrity.

        “Most clients nowadays don’t assume that we design our own fonts, but that doesn’t mean that we can’t charge for time spent on type-setting and typography.”

        This analogy fails since the function of type and the function of templates are completely disjoint. A designer can take a well-crafted font and couple it with his OWN vision and creativity to produce a clever solution to a client’s problems. Fonts, on their own, have no value. By that I mean ball-terminals and serifs do not solve problems on their own anymore than a computer without a user. A font’s primary function is to be read. Its secondary function is to serve as a shell that can encapsulate an idea. This idea comes from the designer, and the designer manipulates fonts, space, color, form, etc, to adequately convey the idea. A designer can fail to achieve the projection of this idea by not adequately tailoring the function of the graphic design elements; a good font won’t save a shitty color scheme.

        A template is a pre-packaged idea already executed. Even a “customized template” will contain remnants of the initial idea, otherwise the customization would throw off the balance of the design.

        It’s the cleverness of an idea coupled with the quality of execution that separates a good designer from a mediocre designer. Implementing your own idea throughout a design is what allows you to honestly call a design your own. It’s true that our ideas can be a byproduct of other ideas. However, the sum of all our thoughts equals a unique personality capable of being expressed as such through design.

        Templates aren’t tools.

        • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
          Author

          Great points Joseph – thanks for posting!

    • http://digitalreaction.net rob torres

      I actually agree with all of your counter-points but for one general rebuttal:

      In our business and it’s circles we receive a great number of referrals and not everyone can afford custom solutions. As a result we love the flexibility of being able to have a product that is inexpensive to work with yet still produces a professional result… All of this is full disclosed to the client, they know it’s a template and they know they are paying us to handle getting it customized, up and running and all the processes that go along with it that is foreign to them and as such uncomfortable…

      If we spend a day or say holding a clients hand through the whole process, teaching them how to use it and form a relationship it just adds to our referral base which has kept us strong…

      For our business this works well, for yours it may not and that is totally fine… If we can set a client up with something they are pleased with and can afford it everyone wins in our situation…

      Great points for sure…

  • http://twitter.com/designeronduty Sergei Tatarinov

    Great article and surprizingly interesting discussion here. Having read every comment, I’m thinking there’s nothing left for me to say because it was all said by others already. I’ll just say that I totally agree with this – “no template, by default, will match to any existing brand or marketing strategy”. Firstly, no matter how great/cheap the templates are, they won’t be used as is by a big brand or company etc. Most certainly they won’t be used at all by a big brand. Secondly, Brand means uniquesness, which is why no self-respecting brand will turn to a stock template. Especially these days, when there are dozens of so-called PSD to HTML or PSD to WordPress companies out there. I am not in position to say this, as I dont have any statistic with me, but I guess middle-sized companies and many web startups are likely to use these services. Simply because it’s cheaper that hiring a designer, even on freelance basis. For me these services are just suitable outsource options. And lastly, I guess many ThemeForest authors often get hired to provide customization to their themes.

    So, my answer is no. Stock templates industry is not hurting web designers so bad that it would worth sounding an alarm. It opens new possibilities for those who are not very successful finding clients on a regular basis. And that’s just one of the good sides of it. :)

  • http://www.boylecreations.com Aidan Boyle

    Themeforest is just one place too. There are theme selling websites all over the place now and tons of templating business’ blooming. I definitely have to agree on the regard of the business changing. One of the biggest benefits of using templates for me has been learning how more experienced designers and developers do specific tasks that I may have little experience with. It also tends to cut down on the time I spend on cross browser development which honestly is a huge plus.

  • Umer

    Face it, advances in a technology can not only create the jobs but demise the jobs also. Freelancing will eat away all these little web designing jobs or graphic designers or let say copyrighting. It’s only a matter of time when people from hundreds of non dollars country will get high speed internet and will realize that the potential. Nobody will pay 500 dollars for the job that could be done 3x for 15 dollars, – hee- abroad.

    Have a nice trip to china everyone. Oh dont forget to uncle sam in india, it’ll help you, trust me. ;)

  • aphemic

    Great article Brandon! I use templates to enable my clients with small budgets achieve a web presence. Most, if not all are not tec savvy. From the start I state I am using templates and the price they are paying me is the template, sorting domain and hosting etc and my hourly rate for customizing and adding content.

    Content being the key, lets not lose focus on what the client wants a website for in the first place! They want to get their product, brand or service in the public eye.

    When a company starts out they don’t have thousands to spend and I don’t think they need to. They want something to compliment there offering. They don’t want to pay me for reinventing the wheel. Also I think it’s true to say that evryone uses templates or frameworks to some degree, Even if it’s their own from previous projects, updated and customized to suit.

    One final point is that some of the templates are of a better quality and design than what some boutique agencies are offering and charging stupid money to either naive or vain clients.

    A

  • http://www.mrblonde.ca Mr. Blonde

    Great article again Mr. Jones. I’d have to agree with most of the points you made. I believe the commoditization of any industry is simple evolution and it has happened many times already (as you’ve shown).

    However I do think it does hurt web design and it poses a risk to the credibility of design in general. If designers are only changing the content and customizing already designed products for the needs of clients, then what is it exactly that they’re designing? If the Web Design industry continues down this road they will have to rename it the Web Re-Design industry.

    Also, as templates become more and more accessible, it’s only a matter of time before the user will start to cut out the middleman and take it upon them selves to “design” their own sites.

    Great discussion by the way.

    Mr. B

  • http://twitter.com/belanger Bryan Belanger

    Great article and great discussion!

    I don’t side with the arguments that the use of templates is depreciating the field of web design and development. I also agree with Brandon only to a certain extent that it is evolving our industry. In my opinion it’s all about small businesses. I don’t see fading demands for custom site design in the industry. I see everyday companies spending thousands of dollars a month for studios to create and maintain custom tailored online solutions for them. Custom websites, and the credibility of designers and developers alike isn’t going anywhere as long as solid communication is always present with the client. What they’re options are and what would best suite their needs.

    I have used templates, and will continue to use them, but only for a certain demographic, small business owners and start ups. These usually have a very limited budget, but still want a website to compete with everyone else, and why shouldn’t they. I think templates are a wonderful solution for them. They can still have a solid online presence, and be very proud of how they’re being represented on the web…..rather than hiring a less experienced person who provides them with something that might end up hurting their business in the future by providing a very poor website.

    So for some clients they have the option of custom design and development, and I discuss with them the benefits of that rather than using a template. But when the client doesn’t have the budget for that, we can steer them to templates that still offer them viable online solutions.

  • Andy

    As a web-designer and son of a professional photographer, my greatest fear has been that the web-design industry IS going the way of photography. That was a faulty comparison to make. Since the wide-acceptance of consumer digital cameras, commercial photography has taken a HUGE hit. My dad’s now unemployed has a result. Just this week he was offered a photo shoot by a marketing manager, only to be shot down by corporate who told him to grab a camera and do it himself. The photography market is now over-saturated with stay-at-home moms who bought a digital camera and fool people because they can apply a photoshop filter and use auto-focus. There’s a lot of lousy photography out there now, many professionals are out of business, and the photography industry IS NOT better as a whole because of it.

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Good points Andy – I was actually hoping someone would chime in with an experience from something like this – the fact is that some people definitely do get left behind. My own father was a real estate appraiser (now forced into retirement) because he couldn’t keep up with the technology leaps happening in the industry. A brand new, fresh out of school appraiser could do the workload of my dad 10x over because of automated systems, which made it inconceivable for him to keep up using his normal methods… most firms similarly started using fully-automated systems that ditched people altogether… long story short, I understand firsthand what you’re trying to say: there is a human cost to this sort of fast-track. Whether or not this is good for the industry as a whole is different from whether or not it’s good for individuals though… the purpose of this kind of article is to prompt discussion, which will hopefully lead to more informed decisions by all of us that work in the industry. I think what you’ve shared makes a poignant counter-point to the other more-or-less academic arguments set forth in the article, and it’s definitely worth considering.

  • http://jas.com JAS

    This makes me partially nervous about the legalities of such templates.

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Interesting comment… what “legalities” are you worried about?

  • http://connorcrosby.me Connor Crosby

    Excellent read! I sometimes use templates from ThemeForest, but I do modify the colors and some graphics to fit my needs.

  • Kyle Smith

    Please excuse me if this doesn’t make much sense. I am just now getting home from work (web designer, obviously) and my brain is still a little fried.

    I’m not sure how much stock I am going to put in to this article. I find it curious and somewhat odd that you would publish this article on the Envato network seeing as how a large portion of Envato’s business strategy is centered around the marketing and selling of templates. OF COURSE you are going to promote it, you own the largest template market in existence! Are you going to honestly tell me that this, too, isn’t part of the business plan? This article, to me, is nothing more than an advertisement for Themeforest (and its sister sites) with a lengthy persuasive writeup following it.

    To me, as a web and graphic designer, I feel that I would be doing my clients a disservice by giving them a stock theme from sites like Themeforest or Graphicriver. I would go to sleep at night thinking “my client believes they are getting solid, original ideas.” What do you say if your client calls and says “Hey, uh, I saw my exact same design on a different site today…whats up?” And of course you could argue that you would disclose that you used a template to them during comp phase, but really? What client is really going to like that? They come to you because they want their products to stand out, they want them to be branded as they were intended. They want an identity and originality. They DONT want to look like everyone else. If they did, why did they call you in the first place?

    I am not honestly going to sit here and tell you that I haven’t used stock photos (graphic design) or some stock code (JS sliders) that helped fuel my design. But I am going to tell you that I’ve never once used someone elses template for a site and just inserted my own content. I just don’t feel comfortable doing it.

    Do I think that template sites are killing the industry? Not at all. In fact, I think they are wonderful place for inspiration and solutions. There have been numerous times when I’ve seen someone else’s theme and thought “That’s a great idea! I didn’t think of that! That would really help in the design I’m struggling with!” But did I download the theme and just use that instead? No way.

    I guess what I’m really trying to say is that I will not take it on this article’s word that using a theme is cool and is an industry norm and everyone should adopt it. That would be highly naive. I think everyone should strive to come up with original ideas and express their own creativity, without the better part of someone else’s work. And I certainly think everyone needs to take this article, and the many others like it, with a grain of salt and decide for themselves.

    Again, I apologize if that makes entirely no sense.

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Heya Kyle – you make some good points. For the record: I wrote this article over a year ago, long before Envato even had dreamt up Webdesigntuts+ and 12 months before they ever approached me to be the editor for this site. I understand that the affiliation with the marketplace is inherently going to raise a few eyebrows, but I don’t think that should bar us from publishing articles that provoke discussion. Templates are affecting quite a few people in the industry, which makes the article topical – furthermore, I’ve invited people to post their counterpoints – some of which I’ve already incorporated back into the article. Heck, I’ve been commending people for posting great counter-arguments, so I think it’s safe to say that this isn’t a white-washed forum :)

      One of the reasons I decided to re-write/republish this article here is because it’s a topic that could stand to benefit from insights from the community. It’s controversial to be certain, but I’ll be the first to admit that there are several great arguments out there that are contrary to those set forth in this article.

      Anyways, thanks for posting the comment – dissenting opinions are natural, healthy, and encouraged!

      • Kyle Smith

        Hey Brandon – I absolutely appreciate the fact that you are allowing for open discussion and I apologize if I came off a little rude. Like I said: Personally I don’t employ the use of themes. It just not my gig because I don’t think it benefits my clients. But, that’s not to say it doesn’t benefit all clients. If someone else has a client base that is cool with it, and the designer is cool with it, then awesome! But for me, I want to showcase my projects with a level of pride that I don’t think i could achieve any other way.

        Thanks for the provocative discussion and for the great user/admin interaction. ;)

        • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
          Author

          Hah! I didn’t mean to infer that you were rude at all (funny how the internet can add attitude to a comment :)). In fact, I actually enjoy the criticism… especially on articles like this where opinion can weigh heavily. If one person knew it all, there’d be no real reason for this comments section down here. Anyways – I digress – thanks a ton for the comments Kyle. They are totally welcome here and I’ll do my best to facilitate an open-minded discussion space :)

  • http://www.designtank.ws Chris Raymond

    This is a great discussion. I am of the camp that uses templates mainly to learn by reverse-engineering, so I can learn how the php and template tags were done to accomplish x y and z.

    But when I customize a template it is usually way more than putting in a different logo or color scheme. For one thing, very few templates I have examied do very good typography (and I don’t mean choosing fonts or using Cufon, I mean well-set type, good hierarchy, etc.).

    Oddly enough, I am in the process of pimping out one of Brandon’s themes for my personal blog, and changing a lot of the underlying css and some of the php, but for my professional portfolio site, I am using basic php and includes, without a database, because it is just easier for me than setting up a whole WordPress install when I really don’t want to blog, but simply show my work and some case studies. I find WordPress is often just total overkill and trying to twist around the posts framework to do what I want is more trouble than it’s worth. Even developing a WP site locally and then porting it over to a remote server involves all kinds of hassles with editing the mysql data to fix link routes, etc.

    Well, that’s getting beyond the topic. Thanks for starting a good discussion.

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Great point Chris – I’ve used the “learn by reverse engineering” method for my whole career – it’s a great way to learn and as templates are designed for you to actually use without concern for licensing, they are a great asset for education. I myself have bought quite a few templates just for this purpose.

  • http://www.kwameboame.com Kwame

    The article was a good read and I found no faults personally with what you wrote Brandon. I wonder if any of us is thinking beyond themes.

    When you think about it, we all use templates in other forms. Take the JavaScript libraries for instance; jQuery, Mootools, Dojo, etc. They are all ‘templates’ that we use in our supposedly ‘original’ work. People who develop plugins for these libraries use the main library as a template for their plugin developments.

    The same goes with to all the social media icons and buttons we use in our work. These are also templates from graphic resource sites. Pardon me, but I think many designers who shun away from templates by claiming there should be originality in every website design are not looking at the bigger picture. How original can we get?

    Even most of us use CSS reset stylesheets. These can be classified as ‘templates’ or?

    Most inventions in the world were made possible by combining ideas from other inventions. The telephone and the telegraph are examples of what I mean. Basically, the telegraph helped in the invention of the telephone. Ideas are built from other ideas. Myspace was a social business template other sites copied and added their own spice/ ideas to.

    100% Originality is a niche that is hard to find nowadays.

    Back to web design! It is not wise nor ethical to take a stock template and use it in its raw state for a client and charge say $500 for it whilst you got it at $30 or $40. The stock templates are there for the purpose they were built for; as templates for our ideas (that’s if you’re a designer). If you find a template you like and you think you can add your own ideas (graphics, custom typography, different CSS styling, more jQuery, etc.), grab it and start customizing. The template’s code is already there. If you agree, real originality comes in the form of custom graphics where you design your own buttons, headers, backgrounds, etc.

    WordPress’ Codex section is full of code snippets that most of us copy and paste. It doesn’t hurt and it is illegal. Taking the core code and not adding your own ideas to it is where the sin is.

    Again, thanks for this article Brandon.

  • eeean

    Web Design, like any other type of design, is driven by the unique context of the business, design, communication and user considerations for each project. It makes sense that in the right context a template design is appropriate. If a template solution is actually highly appropriate for the design context and meets the challenges of a project, then it can be considered the best available solution.

    I think that the word <em>template</em> could actually be considered synonymous with <em>design pattern</em>. A <em>template</em> is in many ways a recognition of a familiar design problem and with a familiar design solution.

    The mark of a good designer is the ability to recognise design patterns, addressing them with patterned solutions, then equally recognising the unique elements of a project to spend valuable effort crafting custom solutions.

  • http://dzn.ca Erin

    Interesting article, Brandon. Just like how hand-crafted items are more valuable today than mass factory-produced items, I think painstakingly hand-crafted websites will be more valuable than designs that are simply modified from a common template. But that will only matter to those who truly recognize and appreciate a custom design that is a unique result of painstaking effort directed toward that one design. Other (good) web designers will tell the difference, but the truth of the matter is that the general public won’t. That is why I would never consider web design as my career option, despite my huge love and passion for it.

  • Gary

    Hey, great discussion so far. I don’t really have much to add except today I was building a website and I planned it all out on paper. I made the perfect layout that I needed to do. I happened to come across a template soon after that I was the exact same layout and color that I needed to do. Now I could either go and design the layout myself or use the one that was already made. It just didn’t make sense for me to go and make it all myself and waste hours away when it was simply there in the template. Why reinvent the wheel?

    Keep up the good work, guys.

  • http://www.thepeatgroup.com Brian Peat

    I get tired of seeing designers whine about the use of templates. Small business, ministries, churches, etc just can’t afford a high priced custom site. The use of templates have allowed people like me to offer lower priced sites (say, $500 to $2000) to them without the need for me to learn how to completely write a CMS template from scratch.

    I pay $200 a year for my RocketTheme Joomla club membership (and recently added the wordpress club too), and I pass on exactly NONE of that cost to my client. They pay for my time to install, configure and then customize the theme to their liking. A cheap site means they get their logo and a custom front page (with joomla modules, that’s not all that hard to do). For $2000, they get a massively changed theme, plus things like a shopping cart, lots of extra plugins, custom graphics made for only their site (not stock art, but custom made buttons, banners, etc that match the theme in its final state). Think of it as me using a template as a framework and going on from their to customize as much as they are willing to pay for. It’s a heck of a lot easier than starting with a blank canvas.

    Call me lazy, but I just don’t have time to learn so much about PHP and CSS to build my own templates from scratch. In fact, I’ve watched friends try it and then see them struggling because they can’t get something to work right and they have no where to turn. I start with a Rocket Theme based on the Gantry framework, and I know I have a good support forum to turn to, and an amazing amount of flexibility in the back end. Then I work on changing the source graphics (fireworks files) and adding CSS edits to the ends of the various CSS files (so as to more easily track all the changes made).

    A designer might notice the base theme if they visit one of my customized sites, but honestly, my clients don’t care. I’m able to make decent money (I’m surely not rich though!) and my clients get an affordable site that’s been customized to their liking.

    So all that to say, it’s great if you’re an amazing designer who also has the skills to build a site from scratch. CHARGE for those skills and take the space ABOVE where I’m working. Leave the lower priced clients to me and we’ll both be happy.

    • http://www.vertstudios.com Justin Edwards

      You very clearly explain what you are doing and why on your site. I think for the market you seem to be targeting templates can sometimes be a very good solution. We give a hefty discount to charities but even so we often price ourselves out of their budget. I’m actually glad that there are a few honest people selling these services in an ethical and transparent manner — You’re one of the first I’ve encountered.
      Kudos to you!

      • http://www.thepeatgroup.com Brian Peat

        Thanks.

        I really do wish I had the skills to go to the next level, but I’m a 1 man shop, and it’s enough for me to just get the work done that I have. I’ve come a long way in my CSS skills, but I still have a LONG way to go before I’m churning out stuff like I see on your site. Still, my clients are happy and I actually have a few sites that I can look back at and NOT say “what the heck was I thinking?!” Templates at least help give me the push in the right direction.

  • http://www.anotherniceguy.org Niceguy

    sorry for pointing out, but for me 425,574 is nowhere near “over half a million” :D

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Actually, it’s 567,000 at the moment :) I just didn’t update the graphic like I should have.

  • Alvaris

    sorry if I’m saying something wrong, but i think stock template business is just like stock car (duplicated car with exactly same design and functionality) business, the buyer who bought it make it his/her brand, may be customizing some parts to make it cool and outstanding, then major would praise the buyer while minor with custom built car would woo the buyer.

    the issue i see is did buyer really care about the similarity of design? yes for sure, but they concern more about their tight budget, and stock template exists to suit their needs. that’s why stock template sells well, because it meets buyer’s need, and it should be the main objective of every business.

    for me stock template business doesn’t hurt the custom web design business either, but i know it would be an intense debate after this comment so i choose not to talk more lol! i would ask why custom built car survived well while stock car sells well. in fact stock car adds more value to the custom built car.

    bad businessman sees the limitation, good businessman sees the chance. stock template business exists and sells well, and you can’t stop it. if you can’t stop it, why don’t embrace it and make it a chance for you to earn profit? that’s weird, at least for me.

    and i would not blame Brandon for his conspiracy (lol!) to promote stock template business just because his boss has the largest template marketplace in the world, after all, what’s wrong with a company to promote its own business while not attacking its competitor?

    just my 2 ringgits, if i say something wrong please forgive me! peace! XDD

    • Lukasz

      Interesting point but.. a custom website cost comes nowhere near the cost of a custom car (well usually).

      Cars main purpose is to get someone or something from X to Y. If we can stick logo to it good if not doesn’t matter.

      If anything I would compare it to shop windows or printed advertising. Then a template would be a mass produced newspaper stand or hot-dog booth ;)

  • http://sideradesign.com paul

    Thanks Brandon for this article.
    It really got me thinking about how I can add services to my offering. I design WordPress themes, and of course I don’t create all my themes from scratch, that would be insane! I use WordPress theme frameworks which give you a solid code base with enough flexibility (hooks and filters) to create complete custom design.
    Frameworks such as Hybrid or Genesis give you a blank theme to which you can apply your own design.

  • http://www.drummerboyhosting.com Atlante Avila

    In my opinion, the argument that countless people benefit from themeforest is ludacris, I’m almost certain very few people have the chance to make enough money to earn a living from selling stock templates. I think the only people that benefit from this is of course envato, and this being an envato website, of course, they’re going to post this. It’s really sad, I think code canyon was a great idea, but not stock templates. Just my opinion.

  • http://www.webdesignkc.co.uk/ Rory

    Very interesting article…at first glance I thought BAD BAD BAD for web designers, but when I look at how I go about designing / developing web designs for clients it usually boils down to the three Cs customization, customization, customization… is there anyone out there who doesn’t borrow elements from others? I doubt it. And if you can’t beat them… where do I sign up to Envato?

  • Lukasz

    Well it still stays, templates are for cheap and cheerful projects. Just like stock photography. Personal projects, small one man only businesses.

    I don’t mind them being there. Just my clients are different and they would never agree to a template in the first place more than that they would probably get offended by the idea. Their businesses needs identity(and uniqiuty) and templates don’t offer one.

    Besides I rather prefer to build solution to a problem than to find a problem to the existing solution (if you know what I mean). I start design by trying to work out some goals and find best ways to achieve them. Many companies have very specific goals and specific issues to solve in order to achieve them. I design solutions that achieve goals in the best possible way rather than “If we use that template it might work.”

    Besides spending hours on looking for template that might just work and then customizing it will probably by more costly than just creating one.

    I even stopped using stock photography as I find it cheap and cheesy and too costly. Yes to costly as I prefer to do my own photo or vector than to spend hours on research.

  • http://www.petarzivkovic.com Petar Zivkovic

    Template don’t hurt web designers.

    Someone who is looking to buy a template is not looking to ‘replace’ the designer, they are looking for a ready made solution for under $50.

    If no template is available, they simply will do without design. Period.

    Nobody who is buying templates (as an out-of-the-box solution) is even considering hiring a designer in the first place… but some might actually end up hiring one to tweak the template!

    As a resource, they are fantastic and a great building block.

  • Alvaris

    so the answer for this post’s title is:

    it depends.

    lol!

    nice article anyway :D

  • http://scottwernerdesign.com Scott

    I think using templates is great. I use the template as framework for the site, then heavily customize the graphics, color, layout, etc. Sure the client could buy a template and throw some content on, and have a site for very cheap, but they lose on the expertise a designer has in customizing and making the theme soar to its full potential.

  • Matt

    I think that templates are the way to go, I’m using one for a client right now that is going to look 100 times better than the original custom site they have now.

    Plus there is a huge market of small businesses that can’t afford a $4000 custom solution, so why not service them with a template for about $700.

    Just my thoughts

  • http://www.musecomunicazione.it Pulcix@Muse

    Remember…

    Templates is only a “tool”. Our Creativity make the difference.
    Very well written and argumented article.

    Thanks Brandon! ;)

  • http://www.webpop.com Mathias Biilmann

    I think part of the popularity that templates hold amongst a good deal of web designers is simply due to the huge gap between the effort required to write a custom design from scratch and adapting a template when working with most of the current CMSs.

    At http://www.webpop.com we’re working on a CMS that comes with no predefined templates apart from a blank project and HTML5 boilerplate.

    We could have spend our time developing a huge selection of ready made templates and pre packaged modules of functionalities. Instead we invested our time in creating a CMS where implementing a completely custom design is no harder than adapting a stock template.

    I think ready made template can be great way to democratize design. Every day more site-builders are making it easy for people to create their own website from a ready made template, change 2 or 3 things and get a more or less decent result without even needing a designer.

    But I think this also means that designers will have to do a bit more to really give people value above what a ready-made template can give them, and that’s why we’ve aimed at making it as easy as possible for a professional who knows html and css to use her skills to create something original for her clients.

  • http://wwah.uk mohammed

    oh templates,i usually create a design from scratch i guess this is how i roll i feel wrong when i use a ready template
    although templates are a great source of ideas and skeleton and might give a helping hand while borrowing objects from a ready made template, i guess templates where made for people who can’t come up with designs or have no time to brain storm for a design such as developer but i guess templates are so 1998 and 2000 where web designer was basically a graphic designer and a developer was the hard coder while i think the new era of web designer works both code and graphics which has narrowed down on templates while what i find useful is web objects like the ones you find at graphic river where you have the option of a plug and play thingy

  • http://www.squiders.com/ Squiders Web Design

    No it doesn’t hurt but any “designer” using them does not deserve the title. Each design should be bespoke to each client and their audience, I refer clients to template monster and the like if they think my costs are too high… any decent web designer shouldn’t feel threatened and at least the templates validate and decrease the garbage put out by some so called designers.

    I refuse to use them but that’s not to say they don’t have a place, no amount of moaning will change their existence anyway!

    There will always be clients out there wanting a custom build and want their site to stand out rather than be a clone of their competitors, here in is my niche and you know I’m quite comfy here.

    Great article by the way ;)

  • http://www.granvilledesign.com Kyle Keeling

    Great article and discussion. Completely relevant to the times we are living in. I think everyone is having this debate whether they like it or not. I agree with supporting and embracing templates as it will only generate more business and open up markets that didn’t used to exist! Templates and customization is the future of web design!

  • http://twitter.com/williamukoh William from Lagos

    Are you a fan of Jay-Z?

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      LOL – yes actually ;) What prompted that question though?

      • http://twitter.com/williamukoh William from Lagos

        Nothing really. I’m a fan too. Was just wondering. LOL

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  • Jordon

    I have a question. So using templates may increase our income. I guess the look of the site that you are trying to obtain, may be a large factor, but what about flash templates? Do you think it is better to use a flash template or just a regular template?

    • http://themeforest.net/user/epicera/portfolio?ref=epicera Brandon Jones
      Author

      Interesting question Jordan – I happen to be partial to HTML/CSS valid templates as they seem to just work better for most projects…. BUT, I was a huge Flash junkie when I was starting up in design, and I’ve always been a bit saddened by it’s lack of adoption in the larger scheme of things. Aside from the technological problems, it offers far more in terms of creativity than a static site. That’s just my 2 cents though ;)

  • http://trents.com.au Trent

    Fantastic article!

    As a freelancer, I started using templates when I started noticing designs that looked and functioned better than my own.

    I was always 100% upfront with my clients about using a template – more from a fear of being caught out than anything else.

    As the quality of templates available increased, so has my workload. In fact my initial dealings with a new client have become less stressful for both of us. Once I’ve explained that a template can used by others, I go on to show that the project life-cycle will be shorter (which is a double bonus because I charge by the hour), but that in most cases I’ll be using it just as a start point for their website.

    I then usually give them a few links to template sites I like/trust and ask them to have a look through and identify any they like. This saves the usual time/stress/difficulty of the client trying to explain what they want, and vise-versa, me relating those ideas to things i can do for them.

    The end result is usually a client who’s very happy with the initial review of the product because it’ll look pretty similar to one of the templates they picked out, and so they’re really just signing-off on the customisations I’ve done, and checking the site functions they way they intended.

    The honesty about using a template is the key. One of my main clients told me the other day that a while back, one of their associate companies had been bragging a the small fortune they spent on their ‘custom designed site’. Just recently they were quite red-faced to find out one of their new competitors had an almost identical site – apart from the logo ;) After a little further investigation it was found to be a free wordpress template.

    I’m glad I wasn’t the designer answering the phone call after that discovery.

    My two cents.

  • Gina

    Thanks so much for this article Brandon. And while I’m at it, thanks for producing some of the best WP themes out there. :)

    I’m a big advocate of templates. I started out as a print designer about 16 years ago and eventually taught myself HTLM and CSS through online training. As you can imagine, I’m primarily focused on the front-end design/marketing/branding of a website because that’s my background. I did a good business for a few years designing static websites and maintaining them for my clients, but within the past 2 years I found clients asking for a website they can control. And that’s where templates save the day for me.

    When I go looking for a template, I’m looking for something with good “bones.” I don’t really care what it looks like because the end product will most likely not resemble anything close to the original. Templates give me the functional bells and whistles my clients need that I could otherwise not give them.

    Let’s face it, unless you’re programming with 1′s and 0′s, you’re using someone else’s painstakingly written code. We’re all building off each others ideas. So I’m going to stick to what I do best, and hope that the developing community out there will continue to compliment my skill set.

  • dc

    I think templates are fine and I think marking them up to assumed value is fine as well. The reasons are as follows:

    – Many template selling sites also sell their customization services also – change images, add content, add pages, etc – all this for a full site can rack up a big bill quick.

    – If the client thinks they can spend 30 bucks on a template and do it themselves and therefore they shouldn’t have to pay you a lot more to do it – well then why don’t they? Have at it I say. But they don’t do they….They rely on people who actually know this stuff (but never as much as a pro agency…)

    – How much is the client’s time worth? If they can achieve the same results paying themselves what they consider their time to be worth and achieve the same for less money then they should do it. But that’s not usually the case.

    – The most important point is this – the final product is, technically speaking, still worth the same – its value lies in the fact that it’s a good, well designed product (envato is selling it…) that works on a reliable well designed CMS – wordpress or joomla for example. And if I the designer, (not endowed with the gifts of the developer) fancy it up and they say they love it, well then I don’t know why I should feel shame for doing this.

    We who use templates are just marking up like every other industry does. Some of these agencies have to go about custom design and charge exorbitantly for it in order to retain their staff, buildings and all that. This is not a case of freelancing templaters fooling the masses!

  • http://dbelldesign.com.au Darren Bell

    Templates for websites are alright I guess, I agree with some of the points in the article. But honestly when people use stock templates the downfall will be a lot of websites which look identical or very similar. Sure there’s heaps of websites on the internet, but in time it could get messy.

  • http://drebpro.com Dreb

    “most designers would be liars if they claimed that they wrote every line of code (including JS, jQuery, PHP , the entire WordPress backend, etc.) for each project they have ever worked on.”

    Shoot me now. I thought i am the only one who have this unavoidable sin of cheating (yes, it is cheating for those who dedicate their lives to create a full blown internal and external original templates).

  • Maurise

    Real web design is about communication and web technology for achieving goals for the sake of that communication, messages, and selling commercial products.

    Web templates are a way to make a buck of the ignorance of many people about this fact. More like a new kind of clip art gallery. But this this trendy-bubble of templates will last? As soon as uninformed-clients realize that it takes more than a template to make a web solution to work.

    In our consumption driven societies, web templates is the logic step of consumerism, “fast track” solutions dont work. Its a way to exploit clients buy “pretty-trendy” but comunication meaningless templates.

    So may people will be tempted to make templates to make a buck of this, but dont call this web design.

  • Sam

    I think true designers would never feel comfortable using someone else’s design work. However, templates offer a realistic solution to saving you time to do other things.

    Who designs for fun really? Cut the beating round the bush moral crap. We all want the same things, better living standards and more money. Regardless of the industry you’re in, if the customer is happy, then you’re happy!

    You’d be a total fool to scare customers off by offering huge prices for ‘original’ websites. How many people have ‘original’ cars? I saw one just like mine the other day. Except theirs had go faster stripes, and cost £1000 more…

  • Dave

    If you are building a flat site to display some static information why not use a template? However if you are building a working site that needs to perform I think a template would actually get in your way unless it were designed modular and easy to disassemble in order to allow for dynamic construction with AJAX. does anyone ever build flat static pages anymore? I never seem to run across static projects anymore.

  • http://www.designedthinking.net Michael

    Great article, but I am reading as a consumer and not developer or designer. I built my own static site years ago, but decided it was time to flip it over to WP. Well I understood the static site, but the learning curve on WP is a bit more than expected. As a small business owner, 2K to 3K can be a chunk a change to have someone build one.
    I know if I buy a premium template, the learning curve probably not be easier.
    I have been looking online for the past few days to find someone who can assist me get site in order at a reasonable cost. But to Google “template upgrade web designer” or something like it is a long search into no where. I see a lot of pitching to web developers to use templates, but not a lot of them saying “hey you get a better rate because we have a foundation to work from.” When I read the comment about charging $500 to install and do a few minor tweaks, I feel like developers have some god complex to take advantage of whoever they can.
    I understand you get what you pay for, fair is fair. I also know if my computer needs to be repaired, I get an estimate up front. They charge an hourly rate, which it seems like and I may be completely wrong, designers don’t like. There is a lot of perceived value. Not everyone wants that.
    Yes I could try a place like Elance or Guru, I am haven;t tried them and heard mix results. My question to you it, where would I look for a reasonably priced web designed / developer who would work on a template and should I first pick out the template or let the person being hired have an input on it? I asked the second half of the question because I don’t know if some of you out there prefer certain themes or if certain ones may present more of a challenge to work with.
    Really want to be respectful of your profession and just presenting a outsiders input – thanks

  • Gábor

    My opinion about these questions :

    1.) does templates hurt webdesign business?

    no. if you want a professional website, pay me $500-$2000, and I will give it you. whether if I use templates or not is my thing, as long as I guarantee you that your site will be unique and fit your purposes.

    2.) is it unethical to buy a template for $35 and sell the customized site for $1000 with 2 days work?

    no. you pay me that because I KNOW which template to buy, HOW to customize it to your needs, and KNOW how to create extra graphics, include your content, install it, etc.. how many guys can do it? yes, technically, it may be only 30-35 lines of code modifications, and 50 clicks, but you HAVE TO KNOW YOUR CRAFT at a high level to do it right.

    every client who comes and says “why should I pay you $1000 if I can buy a template for $35?”, I tell them “buy the template then”, and leave.

    it’s like asking a lawyer “why should I pay you $10k for only a few hours work?”. because the pizzaguy can’t do it, that’s why.

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  • http://www.webtacular.com/ Shajedul

    Stock template could be harmful for website. I think some of the designers put their link to web template to develop their website through this SEO technique so this might be harmful for website. If the buyer who takes the template for his business he/she must careful for this. If he can check and understood the coding which is for which work then he will not face any problem like that. Overall the buyer have to know about this. If he can’t he should follow any expertise who is too much familiar with it.

  • http://www.michellesmasterpiece.com Michelle

    I use to refuse to use templates. Then I got a client in bad need of redesign. I like to keep my new looks similar to the old (so that their customers won’t think they went to the wrong site). But for this one, I hit a total designer’s block. Then, I found the perfect template. It used a similar color scheme and had a MUCH nicer layout.

    It has been 6 years. I just ran into another designer’s block and had to turn to templates again. The thing is, I suddenly have a much deeper appreciation for them. They save some mental time for me, trying to decide what color schemes look good and how wide a sidebar should be or where to place the navigation. But it takes me several hours to turn a template into a full functional website. So I still make a few hundred (or thousand) dollars by the time it’s all said and done.

    I use to worry about how template use would affect my SEO. (if my code looks like someone else’s, will Google hold it against me?) But I found that it is easier for me to re-write and recreate a template look in CSS and PHP than it is for me to edit the original template. So that becomes a pretty minor issue.